WHFB – Wood Elves vs Dark Elves – Rumble in the SELWG Jungle – Comp’ Game – 28/12/18

With the kids and ourselves on holiday, Greg and I arranged to meet up to kick off the whfb competition. Due to the club being shut over the break we decided to meet and play at Warboar, a Friendly Local Gaming store (FLGS) located in southeast London.

It was the first time I’d played there and they had a reasonable space upstairs with a multitude of mats and plenty of scenery on hand (though most was aimed at 40k). The staff were very friendly and there was also a café in the store that also had a bar, bonus! I’d definitely go back there again.

Although I’ve only played Greg a few times at Warhammer, he is one of my regular D&D group so we are well acquainted. We were both a bit rusty on the rules (I last played 3 months ago but Greg hadn’t played in almost a year!). As such we had decided to take a more relaxed approach to the game.

Any mistakes are purely down to memory.

Lists

We both had chosen to take magic heavy lists, so it would be interesting to see how that panned out.

Greg’s Dark Elves

 Supreme Sorceress (General) – Lvl 4 Dark Magic – Talisman of Preservation, Steed – 285pts

Supreme Sorceress – lvl 3 Dark Magic – Talisman of Endurance, Manticore – 385pts

Death Hag (BSB) – Cauldron of Blood – 300pts

5 Dark Riders – Standard, spears, repeater xbows, shields – 110pts

5 Dark Riders – Standard, spears, repeater xbows, shields – 110pts

34 Witch elves – FC, Banner of Swiftness – 419pts

5 Coldone Knights – FC – 180pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower – 70pts

Repeater Bolt Thrower – 70pts

5 Shades – 80pts

5 Shades – 80pts

War Hydra – 160pts

5 Doomfire Warlocks – 125pts

5 Doomfire Warlocks – 125pts

Total – 2499pts

  

My Wood Elves

Merilel of the Moon (General) – Lvl 4 Highweaver – Book of Ashur, Ironcurse Icon – 295pts

Sejal Dawntouch – lvl 4 Deathweaver, steed, powerscroll, talisman of preservation – 320pts

Haldrin Stormlight – Glade Captain, Charmed shield, Dragonbane gem, HODA, Great Eagle – 169pts

The Left Hand of Haldrin – Waystalker, Bow of Loren – 110pts

The Right Hand of Haldrin – Waystalker – 90pts

10 Glade Guard – Standard, Musician, Starfire Shafts – 180pts

25 Glade Guard – FC, Swiftshiver arrows, Standard of Discipline – 445pts

10 Deepwood Scouts – Standard, Hagbane tips – 170pts

5 Sisters of the Thorn – Standard, Lichborne Pennant – 155pts

6 Wildriders – Standard, shields – 178pts

6 Wildriders – Standard, shields, banner of eternal flame – 188pts

10 Waywatchers – 200pts

Total – 2500pts

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Shot taken a week or so ago. I managed to paint the wildriders in time for the game

Pre-game rolls

Scenarios

 A – Invade and Defend

Gain 500 victory points (VP) if your opponent doesn’t have a unit containing fortitude in your deployment zone

Gain 500 VP if you have a unit containing fortitude in your opponent’s deployment zone

Gain 400 VP if you kill more characters than your opponent.

Spells

 The Highweaver ended up with: Soul Quench, Hand of Glory, Arcane Unforging and Fiery Convocation.

The Darkweaver took: Spirit Leech, Soulblight, Doom and Darkness and Fate of Bunja

The Lvl 4 Sorceress had: Doombolt, Shroud of Darkness, Chillwind, Word of Pain

The lvl 3 Sorceress rolled: Doombilt, Black Horror and Power of Darkness

Strategy cards

I chose Card D – Operation Anaconda. You gain 500 VP if the enemy general is dead by the end of the game.

The card special rule, when played, gives the general +1 LD until the start of your next turn. This is capped at LD 10, so was of no use to me as my general had an LD of 10 due to the standard of discipline.

Greg rolled a D6 for his and ended up with Card A – take the field. You gain 500 VP for controlling more quarters than your opponent.

The special rule allows you to vanguard a core unit or character. (I may be wrong but I think Greg forgot to do this, as if he had, it is more than likely the Witches would have been in my face at a much earlier junction!)

Terrain

The comp pack specifies that each board should have: 2 buildings, 1 forest, 1 marsh, 2 hills and 3 walls and fences. Greg placed the first piece and then we alternated. I think we both had the same idea but for different reasons as we both placed almost all the scenery down the centre of the board. I think Greg was trying to block my line of sight for shooting, whereas I was trying to impede his witch elf horde.

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Deployment

 I won the roll for choosing sides and with the terrain so even, choose the side I had been sitting on.

Laying down my free forest on the right, kind of gave away where the big unit of glade guard was going, even with the dummy drops on the other side.

Even with me getting the bonus to the first turn roll, Greg won it and elected to go first.

1.1 Deployment1.2 deploy2 deploy3 deploy4 deploy5 deploy6 deploy7 deploy8 deploy9 deploy

Scout placement and vanguard moves

10 deploy scouts11 deploy scouts12 deploy scouts13 vanguard14 vanguard15 vanguard

DE Turn 1

Before the Dark elves were able to move, an Arrow of Kurnous sought out the enemy general, striking true and wounding the supreme sorceress. (I initially forgot to roll for this but Greg kindly and probably much to his regret, let me do it after the start of the game).

The two units of Warlocks and the supporting Darkriders (containing his general) continued their swift advance, moving to surround my Sisters bunker and Captain on eagle and putting extreme pressure on that quadrant.

With the limited forces on that side of the table distracted, the witches, Hydra and Sorceress on Manticore advanced up the centre, using the large central building to protect their flank from the bulk of the Wood elf ranged units.

The Knights and the final unit of Darkriders decided they didn’t like being exposed to so many enemy archers and decided to ‘strategically withdraw’ (run away) towards the bulk of their forces.

The winds of magic blew strongly with the DE mages maxing out at 12 power dice. Both units of Warlocks fired Doombolts at the Wood Elf Captain but Merilel was watching over her champion and dispelled both missiles. She was unable to prevent the final Doombolt from the sorceress targeting the ‘Left Hand of Haldrin’ and the Waystalker and his magic bow, were torn apart by the magic missile. The Magical feedback from the miscast killed off one of the Warlocks.

The two units of Shades and the Darkriders all targeted the closest of the Wildriders, slaying 5 of the 6 frenzied elves.

The two Repeater Bolt Throwers targeted the Scouts but were unable to replicate the damage caused on the other side of the battlefield, the multiple bolts only piercing 3 of them.

15.1 DE turn 116 DE turn 117 DE turn 118 DE turn 1

WE Turn 1

Wood elf movement was limited to redeployment, with Haldrin leapfrogging the warlocks, whilst keeping out of the Manticore’s charge arc. The Deathweaver and sisters failed their march roll so just moved round a little bit. The large unit of glade guard reformed to face the majority of the dark elf forces whilst the smaller unit of guard moved up in support. The remaining Wildrider and the second unit of wildriders retreated behind the archers (while I worked ot what I was going to do with them).

Magic was a write off, with the winds reversing to give a low roll. Fate of Bunja failed to cast (Doh!) and Hand of Glory was easily dispelled.

Haldrin shot the Hail of Doom arrow into the Darkriders but the winds had obviously effected it and the magical arrow had lost its potency, only downing a single rider. 50 shots from the Glade Guard swiftly followed, the weight of arrows wiping out the unit and leaving the Supreme Sorceress on a single wound and looking rather worried.

The Waywatchers found themselves just within range of the Coldone Knights and quickly took out two of them. The small unit of glade guard then tried some speculative shooting at the shades in the building and picked off one who had made the mistake of showing herself at the window.

In the final shooting of the turn, the Scouts took revenge for their earlier deaths and took out one of the bolt throwers.

19 WE turn 119.1 WE turn 120 WE turn 121 WE turn 1

DE Turn 2

The Witches continued their advance, wheeling round the building to bring them into view of the large unit of glade guard.

One unit of warlocks moved to the edge of the board, next to the Eagle rider. The Sorceress on Manticore moved up to threaten the same rider with a charge in the next turn.

The rest of the DE forces moved up in support of the witches, with the shades leaving the building. They also conveniently formed a living wall in front of the DE general, who had retreated behind the relative safety of the central building. The Doomfire Warlocks then charged into the Sisters unit directly in front of them.

Magic started with a Doombolt launching at Haldrin. Knowing that the sister’s combat could be key, the two wood elf spellweavers glanced at each other and let the spell through. To their regret, Haldrin and his mount were swiftly vaporised by the profusion of dark bolts. His sacrifice was not in vain as it allowed Merilel to prevent Soulblight weakening the sisters.

The DE shooting proved very ineffective with 20 shots from the shades failing to injury the remaining Waystalker and the RBT also failing to kill any of the Deepwood Scouts.

In the only combat of the round, the Sisters overcame the Warlocks, slaying two and sending the remainder running. They restrained from pursuing (though in hindsight that was a mistake as it was their turn next go).

22 DE turn 222.2 DE turn 223 DE turn 224 DE turn 225 DE turn 226 DE turn 2

WE Turn 2

 Again there was relatively little movement from the wood elves. The Deepwood scouts advanced so that all of them could fire on the bolt thrower. The single wildrider ran away behind the nearby building to conserve his points and the sisters moved up to get the Deathweaver in range of the enemy general and out of the charge arc of anything else (as the fleeing warlocks combined with the witches were blocking them).

The winds of magic picked up again giving the max number of 12 dice and the wood elves made good use of them. Sejal started by casting Fate of Bunja on the enemy general and in a fit of cunning, the sorceress on Manticore interfered with the winds, preventing the general from attempting a dispel, allowing the wood elves to kill the Supreme Sorceress and her rival for power. (This in turn achieved my strategy card bonus and gain the 500 bonus VPs). The Sorceress then let Hand of Glory go through (for a +2 BS on the large unit of glade guard) but successfully dispelled both the Soul quench and Curse of Anraheir aimed at the witch elves.

The large unit of Glade Guard then opened up on the witches and 16 of them were summarily cut down. The other unit of Guard and the sisters accounted for a further 3. The frothing unit of madwomen was definitely looking a bit more manageable now! (Note: we just started recording the number of witches left on the dice, rather than removing the models, hence the unit looked untouched in the photos).

The Scouts again targeted the bolt thrower but failed to do any damage but the waywatchers then stepped up to the plate and removed it in a single round of shooting.

26.1 WE turn 2

DE Turn 3

Out for blood and eager to get to grips with their arboreal kin, the witches surged forward but the hail of arrows that answered their charge, faltered their advance. On a plus point, they only lost 3 more of their number to the 50 shots.

The rest of the forces moved up, surrounding the sisters and the Deathweaver (and the warlocks successfully rallied).

Magic was a bust for the DEs with Black Horror failing to cast and Doombolt being dispelled.

Their shooting was somewhat more effective with the dark riders killing the final waystalker and the combined fire of the shades taking out 2 of the sisters of the thorn.

26.2 DE turn 327 DE turn 328 WE turn 3 

WE Turn 3

The Scouts continued their march into the DE half of the board, looking to get into the deployment zone and thus secure those scenario points. The Wildriders all moved up, ready to counter charge should the witches kill the large unit of Glade Guard. The sisters again failed their leadership roll to march but were still able to move to prevent anything charging them.

Fate of Bunja was fast proving to be the Deathweavers favourite spell and this time it was the Deathhag’s turn to feel its gaze. The Cauldrons inbuilt magical resistance came to her rescue and she only took a single wound. The Highweaver then failed to cast Fiery Convocation (damn!) and Spirit Leech (also aimed at the Deathhag) was dispelled.

The Woodelf archers all combined to target the witch elves and after the hail of arrows had finished, another 10 had been slain and the cauldron had also taken a wound and this left only two of the witches and the Deathhag standing.

27.1 WE Turn 3 

DE Turn 4

The remaining witches again tried to charge the Glade Guard and with another stand and shoot reaction in the making, Greg just removed the unit.

The cold ones chose this moment to fail their stupidity test and stumbled forward (it was possibly the second turn in a row).

With another huge magic phase, the wood elves were unable to stop volley after volley of doombolts targeting the sisters and their boosted ward was unable to save them. With the sisters all dead, the wounded Deathweaver ran towards the safety of her own lines. She was followed by a flurry of crossbow bolts and although she was further wounded, they failed to bring her down.

28.1 DE Turn 429 DE turn 431 DE turn 4

30 DE turn 4
Now you see sisters
32 DE turn 4
Now you don’t

WE Turn 4

The Scouts continued to move into the opposing deployment zone and the waywatchers moved out of the building, ensuring they kept the marsh between them and any of their dark kindred. The Deathweaver continued to flee after failing to overcome the fear of her own mortality.

The winds had blown themselves out but despite that, the highweaver still managed to attempt two spells. Hand of Glory was dispelled but Soul Quench obliterated the closest unit of Shades. The waywatchers then targeted the other unit, turning 3 into pin cushions and leaving just two remaining. The larger unit of glade guard turned their sights to the so far undamaged unit of warlocks and when they were finished, a single model was left alive. The final unit of Guard looked to utilise their arrows by firing at the Hydra and took off a single wound.

32.1 WE Turn 4

DE Turn 5

The remaining DE force moved up to form a cohesive battleline ready for a final turn charge.

In another astounding roll, Greg again pulled out a maximum 12 for the winds of magic. He then proceeded to again fire off 3 doombolts against the running Deathweaver. The first was dispelled, the seconded failed to cast but the third was cast by the sorceress with irresistible force and broke through the weavers defences, finally slaying the proverbial thorn in the DE foot. The calamitous detonation only wounded the Manticore thanks to the Sorceresses continuing ability to make her 5++ ward save.

The dark elf shooting again proved to be subpar, with the combined fire of the darkriders and remaining shades unable to kill any of the wildriders.

32.2 DE Turn 533 DE turn 534 DE turn 5

WE Turn 5

Still not knowing what to do with themselves and not liking the look of the hydra and manticore eyeing them up, the Wildriders, for the second time, decided that they needed to be somewhere else and backed off to threaten with a counter charge.

The winds of magic again dropped off for the wood elves but the Highweaver still managed to cast Hand of Glory on the glade guard to improve their BS. She then targeted the single warlock with a Soul Quench, casting it with irresistible force. The power of the spell not only destroyed the warlock but the dimensional cascade blew up 9 guard from the unit and sucked the Highweaver into the warp! To make matters worse, the unit then failed its panic test and ran. Disaster!

With things looking suddenly grim, the remaining wood elves held their nerve and concentrated on making the dark elves pay. The waywatchers shot at the darkriders, killing three and with casualties mounting and order breaking down on both sides, the remainder also decided to flee. The Scouts and smaller unit of guard both decided to even the playing field and concentrated on the remaining sorceress. She once again passed all her ward saves but her beast was not so fortunate and she was quickly left standing exposed on the corpse of her manticore.

34.1 WE Turn 535 WE turn 536 WE turn 537 WE turn 5

DE Turn 6 

In a last bid to get some points, the Hydra tried to charge the 10 glade guard but all it got for its trouble were two additional wounds and a failed charge.

The dark riders rallied and the remaining warlocks decided to retreat to conserve points. The shades moved into the building to gain hard cover and the Sorceress also moved behind the building to avoid being shot. In a typical underhanded Dark elf tactic (yes I was impressed) she then cast Black horror at the waywatchers with another irresistible force. One of the Shades in the building succumbed to the vortex, as did one of the Waywatchers. The miscast was another Calamitous Detonation (which she again saved with the ward) but that signalled the end of the magic phase.

The little shooting available, failed to do anything.

37.1 DE Turn 638 DE Turn 639 DE turn 640 DE turn 641 DE Turn 6 

WE Turn 6

In the final turn of the game, I tried to maximise what points I could. It started with the large glade guard regiment rallying, denying Greg any points for them.

The waywatchers did their best to eliminate the Coldone Knights but only managed to slay 2 of the 3 remaining knights.

The scouts and two units of glade guard all aimed at the Hydra but only managed two wound it twice, leaving it clinging to life with a single wound remaining.

41.1 WE Turn 6 

Results

In a brutal first game, the Wood elves not only pulled out a win but it was the first one I’d managed with them in 8th edition!

With regards to the scenario objectives, I had a unit with fortitude in Greg’s deployment and had prevented him getting any in my deployment zone, netting me 1000 VPs (500 VPs for each). Greg had killed more characters than I had, giving him the last objective and 400 VPs.

I also achieved my bonus objective in killing his general (for another 500 VPs). He didn’t achieve his objective of capturing more table quarters than I did.

The final breakdown of Victory points were:

Wood Elves                         Greg’s Dark Elves

Total from kills                  1840                                       1253

General slain                      100                                         100

Scenario                              1000                                       400

Strategy card                      500                                         0

Fully painted                     750                                         750

Total                                    4190                                       2503

In the 20-0 format, due to the variance in VPs of 1687, it worked out as 13-7 Tournament points in my favour.

42 - Remanents
The remaining Wood Elf forces
43 - DE Remanents
The remnants of the Dark Elves (picture curtesy of Greg)

 

Conclusion

 That was an extremely brutal but immensely fun game. It had lots of carnage, a number of points where the game swung and a great opponent. All the hallmarks of a fantastic game and a reminder of why I love this edition so much.

Both of us were a little rusty on some of the rules but there wasn’t too much looking in the BRB or army books. We both made a few errors on deployment and I’ve never played a game with so many scout drops and vanguards from both sides. It made the opening moves very interesting.

There were a number of large magic phases in the game with 4 of them netting the maximum 12 dice (after channels). Three of these were on Greg’s turn, well above the odds. That pretty much guaranteed 3 Doombolts were going to head my way. A frightening prospect of 6D6 Str 5 hits plus a multitude of additional S1 hits from the attribute. He did balance this out by rolling at least 3 miscasts but he again came out of these unscathed each time (in part down to the sorceress continually passing her 5++ ward – the dark gods were smiling on her!). It was definitely the first game that I’ve really enjoyed using magic (at least until the sucked into the warp incident) and I didn’t dither too much over what to use.

I did think that Greg spent too much time chasing around after the sisters. They almost acted as a distraction carnifex for him.

Unlike most of my games, I’m not going to pick apart what worked well or not for my list, mainly as I’m sure a number of my opponents will end up reading this and they can make their own deductions from the report rather than me spelling it out for them. Instead I’ll make notes, that I won’t include here and will then add them into my list analysis at a later date.

I’ll end this brief summary by saying that there are always a number of ‘what if’ situations in a game and one of those for me was ‘what if Greg (and I) had remembered that he gained an additional vanguard and it could have been used on his witches’. It would have meant they would have been an additional 12” across the board from the start. It may have made no difference as other things may have played differently but they may not have been shot to pieces before making it into combat (and the destruction of that unit by my archers, I’ll add, was probably the highlight of the game for me. Having been on the end of them so many times, it was just extremely satisfying so delete them with shooting).

Shout out

Greg also writes a blog and also wrote up a report from his view point (with more photos taken by him). It can be found here: https://gregwfb.wordpress.com/2018/12/28/2018-19-wfb-campaign-game-one/

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Rumble in the SELWG Jungle – My Wood Elf List

No posts are forthcoming for ages and then suddenly you get 3 in quick succession. Lucky you!

So this year I decided to take my Wood elves for a spin in the competition. I don’t have high hopes for my placement but it will give me a solid run of games with them, which is the whole point of using them.

I’ll start with a couple of group shots of the army and then intersperse the list with some unit shots so at least you can look at some pictures if list bashing is of little interest.

Note: The Sisters and Deepwood Scouts are not my painting. Although I prefer to paint my own models, I’m not adverse to picking up the odd pre-painted eBay bargin.

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So the first thing that jumps out looking at these shots is the distinct lack of bodies. Even my dwarves normally field more bodies! Ok so I’m not going to overwhelm the foe by weight of numbers, so what did I take and why?

The Warhost of Tal Shavoc

Lords & Heroes

Merilel of the Moon – General – level 4 (highweaver), Book of Ashur, Ironcurse Icon – 295pts

Sejal Dawntouch – level 4 (Deathweaver), Power scroll, Talisman of Protection, Elven Steed – 320pts

Haldrin Stormlight – Glade Captain, Hail of Doom Arrow, Charmed Shield, Dragonbane Gem, Great Weapon, Great Eagle – 169pts

The Left Hand of Haldrin – Waystalker – Bow of Loren – 110pts

The Right Hand of Haldrin – Waystalker – 90pts

Core Choices

24 Glade Guard – Full Command, Standard of Discipline, Swiftshiver Arrows – 445pts

10 Glade Guard – Musician, Standard, Starfire Shafts – 180pts

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Glade Guard with Swiftshiver arrows and the Highweaver
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Glade Guard
Special Choices
10 Deepwood Scouts – Standard, Hagbane Tips – 170pts

5 Sisters of the Thorn – Standard, Licheborne Pennant – 155pts

6 Wildriders – Standard, shields, Banner of Eternal flame – 188pts

6 Wildriders – Standard, shields – 178pts

Deepwood Scouts
The hero is a unit filler, representing 2 Wildriders in this list.
Busy beavering away to finish these in time for the first game!

Rare Choices

10 Waywatchers – 200pts

Total – 2500pts

Waywatchers and stalkers with the sisters and Deathweaver in the background

List Thoughts

As per usual I list bashed an obscene number in preparation. All theory hammer of course as why bother practicing when you can spend hours poring over a laptop instead… They did however follow a similar theme though and revolved around lists I’d previously run.

I then threw them all out the window and thought to myself what do you want to take?

Archers

A wood elf list wouldn’t be complete without a load of archers and I wanted to fully embrace this. I also wanted to maintain my preferred all comer style and so to make it versatile I took 4 main different types of arrows/archers.

Scouts

The Scouts took hagbane to provide poison shots. Their main use will be war machine hunting followed by big gribblies. Poison will effectively bypass the high toughness they rely on for defence (with good rolling on my part…).

Glade Guard

The small glade guard unit will gain +1 to wound against any of the bad guys as well as getting flaming AP attacks. Again my thought was most Regen monsters fall in the category so flaming would negate this and the to wound bonus would mean they’d always do so on a 5+.

With the large unit of archers, I nearly went with trueflight (no ‘to hit’ modifier) arrows but decide to avoid them in order to both take me out of my comfort zone and because I worried that with my reliance on bow shots, I didn’t have enough, so I opted for Swiftshiver, so they doubled their output. With correct placement (in a wood, in 3 ranks), they’d put out 48 AP shots. The downside is, at long range, they would be hitting on a 5+. This meant I had no real choice but to include a level 4 Mage wielding High Magic to try and get ‘hand of glory’ in order to boost Ballistic skill (BS).

Waywatchers

The waywatchers are just all kinds of good, able to ignore armour entirely or double their output by firing two shots, adding to the sheer volume of fire the list could put out.

Waystalkers

Two waystalkers would add an additional ranged threat in their ability to snipe out characters. They would be aiming to remove any support heroes or wizards, namely BSBs and scroll caddies. Other mounted heroes would also be fair game. At a pinch they could also be used as redirectors. I previously haven’t found a single waystalker to be that useful, so I was hoping two might make the difference (or it could just be a waste of points 🙄)

Glade Captain

The final shooting element comes from the Captain. This is mainly in the form of the one shot Hail of Doom arrow. 3D6 S4 AP shots is nothing to be sniffed at and can work wonders or fail miserably. It is best used to remove a unit of chaff and normally does so fairly comfortably. He is also fairly versatile being able to take out chaff in combat and tie up warmachines (and perhaps kill them due to his S6).

Magic

I’ve never had a great success with magic in 8th. I’ve always found it too fickle and random. Yes there have been instances where it has helped but more often than not miscasts or low winds of magic rolls have made it meh. This time I decided to go big and give myself options.

Highweaver

The first mage selection was chosen as High, mainly to try and get the one spell mentioned above. I do like the lore as it’s a good allrounder with spells impacting movement, one that heals and had the benefit of having a number of quite cheap spells. It also has the added advantage of giving protection counters as the lore attribute too. I do normally prefer shadow for wood elves but again I was trying to break the habit and try something different.

This mage would likely (at least start) in the large unit of archers and inside the ‘free’ woods. This would ensure a +1 to all casting. I then took the Book of Ashur and whilst very pricey, would provide an additional +1 to casts. Effectively this makes the mage a level 6, so would maximise her effectiveness. The issue was the book meant she would have no save so I was hoping the lookout sir rule and the protection counters would offset this weakness… The final item was also defensive in nature to give the unit a 6++ Ward vs war machines. As the only unit of any size, it is a prime candidate for them so everything helps!

Deathweaver

I had decided early on that I wanted to take a lore I’d not previously used and had chopped and changed a number of times. In the end I decided to go with Death as I’d been on the receiving end of it a number of times and generally wasn’t a fan. It also has a toughness debuff spell which I think is quite important when you go with mass shooting. The number of sniping spells would also tie in nicely with the waywatchers.

The lore attribute also helps to regain power dice. Important when you are stacking up on mages! The only issue is the generally short range of the spells and so she would need to be mobile to close the range. This meant either flying solo on an Eagle (can you say cannon bait) or mounted and ideally placed in a unit. I decided to go with the latter and put her on a steed.

For items, I gave her the compulsory 4++ Ward and then a power scroll to halve the cost of a spell once in the game. Hopefully this would be a nasty surprise for an opponent.

Sisters

The final magic choice was a unit of sisters of the thorn. Again it is a unit I’ve struggled to use effectively. They have one great spell that impedes movement and one that is meh but does heal wounds as a side effect. They were however perfect as a delivery and protection system for the Deathweaver and giving the unit the pennant also boosted their Ward save vs direct damage spells.

Combat

And because I couldn’t totally rely on shooting, I added in two units of Wildriders to add some combat threat. I fully expect one unit to be decimated early on, so am hoping two might mean one survives long enough to cause some damage…

Conclusion

So there you have it. A big pile of unknown. What I have done in this list is invest heavily in just two phases, magic and shooting. It’s not something I’d normally do, I prefer a more rounded list and like big combats but it will push me to try something new and again is almost the polar opposite of my Beastmen list.

The main sacrifice I’ve had to make is to exclude any real combat blocks, not something wood elves are really renowned for but it does feel odd not having trees of any variety in the list. The one regret I have is not being able to squeeze in my warhawks.

I do have a feeling I’m going to get minced, if only due to the learning curve and my own ineptitude with the list. Still, as long as I have fun (and with the opponents in the comp that’s almost guaranteed), that’s the main thing.

Rumble in the SELWG Jungle – 2018-19 club comp pt 2 – Scenarios & Strategy cards

As discussed in the previous post, these were lifted from the Brawler bash 2014 comp with the exception of the 6th scenario.

SCENARIOS

1 – Invade and Defend (Battleline)

Gain 500 VP if your opponent does not have a unit containing fortitude in your deployment zone at the end of the game.

Gain 500 Additional VP if you have a unit containing fortitude alive in your opponent’s deployment zone at the end of the game.

Gain 400 additional VP if you killed more characters than your opponent.

2 – Blood and Glory

Special Rules: Play the full six turns (as time allows).

Objectives: The first player to “Break” their opponent receives an additional 1400 Victory points. The second player to “Break” their opponent receives an additional 500 Victory points.

3 – Protect the weak (Battleline)

Gain 150 VP for each of your three smallest (in terms of points) units that are alive at the end of the game. If you have more than three units that are equal in terms of smallness at the beginning of the game, nominate three of those tying units to keep alive for points.

Gain 150 VP for each of your Core units above half strength (in terms of total wound count) at the end of the game. You can score these points up to four times (600 points).

Gain an additional 150 VP for each of your opponent’s three smallest (in terms of points) units that you have killed. If there are multiple units that are equal in terms of smallness, then the first three you killed count for the extra VP.

4 – Dawn attack

Special Rules: Deploy with the Dawn Attack map but DO NOT USE RANDOM DEPLOYMENT. Instead, each player deploys as normal (taking turns putting units down) until complete. Each player must deploy at least two units in each deployment area (left, right, centre). If a player does not have enough units to deploy at least two in each, then he/she may choose which area(s) to only have one. Roll off for first turn as in a Battle Line scenario, and ignore the language about stealing initiative.

Objective: At the end of the game, if either player has a unit with fortitude within six inches of the centre of the board and the other player does not, then that player gains 1400 victory points. If both players have units with fortitude within six inches of the centre of the board, each player gains 500 victory points.

5 – Character Crash (Battleline)

Gain 100 additional VP for each enemy character slain (slain means dead or not on the table, at the end of the game, for any reason).

Gain an additional 100 VP per character if you slay the character in a challenge.

Gain 350 additional VP if your Battle Standard Bearer is still alive at the end of the game. If you do not have a BSB in your army, you automatically gain these points.

Gain 350 additional VP if you captured more standards than your opponent.

6 – Attack the strongest point! (Battleline)

Gain 1000VP if your opponent’s most expensive unit is destroyed, fleeing or not on the table for any reason, at the end of the game. Characters/mounts embedded within a unit, count towards the cost (and thus which one grants the bonus victory points). If there are two or more units that cost the same then roll a dice to decide.

Gain 400VP if your opponent’s most expensive character is killed, fleeing or not on the table for any reason, at the end of the game.

1. Deployment
Any excuse to post a pic of Luke’s Chaos Warriors

 

STRATEGY CARDS

There are 6 Rumble in the SELWG Jungle Strategy Cards Below. Each describe bonus point objectives and special rules. After deployment, but before scouts are placed, both players must choose one strategy card from those remaining to them and place it on the table (these are not secret and you must both declare which you’ve chosen). You MUST choose a card to play each round. Each card can only be used once during the competition and the card you use, must be confirmed when your results are reported. Only the card player may gain bonus points based upon their card in play.

 

Card A: Take the Field!

+500 VP for controlling more table quarters than your opponent at the end of the game.

To control a table quarter you need to have fortitude there (i.e. General or a banner). The most fortitude in a quarter controls that quarter. In the event of a tie then neither player controls that quarter.

Special Rules: One core unit or solo character may make a Vanguard move. All normal Vanguard rules apply. (Units already capable of a Vanguard move receive no added bonus)

Card B: No Glory in Death!

+500 VP if your most expensive unit/model (NON- Character) above half its starting wounds at the end of the battle.

Special Rules: The player of this card automatically wins the roll to see who goes first, they may then choose to go first or allow their opponent to go first. If both players choose this card then roll off as normal (If a Bretonnian player uses this card and the opponent doesn’t, the army counts as having prayed and both players dice to see who goes first).

Card C: Operation Anaconda!

+500 VP for killing enemy general. (“killing”= opponent’s general not being alive for any reason at the end of the game.)

Special Rules: Your General gives a rousing speech to spur his/her troops to victory. At the start of any one of your turns you may declare that you are using this special rule and claim a +1 to the Leadership of your general (up to the normal max of LD10) It lasts until the start of your next turn.

Card D: Broken Arrow!

+500 VP for having all of your dispel/power dice generating characters/units alive at the end of the game. (If you have none of either to start with, you automatically get these points!)

Special rules: For the first turn of this game all your opponent’s spells miscast on double 1’s as well as double 6’s. (Note: double 1’s do NOT cause Irresistible Force)

Card E: Live to Fight Another Day!

+250 VP for having a unit that successfully (is not caught in that turn) flees from a charge.

+250 VP if the unit that earnt 250 VP for fleeing, is alive, not fleeing and on the table at the end of the game

**IF your army contains NO units or characters capable of fleeing at the start of the game THEN you may earn +500 bonus points if one of your characters (not champions) refuses a challenge during the game.

Special rules: Add d3 inches to one “flee” charge reaction during the battle. This must be declared prior to rolling any dice.

Card F: Lucky Seven Card!

Once in the game, before any 2d6 roll is made (but not before a re-roll, such as that given by a battle standard -bearer), a player may employ Your Lucky Seven card. This automatically makes the result of the roll a 7 without actually rolling dice.

Note that your Lucky Seven cannot be used to change two dice within a number of other dice rolled. It must be a straight 2D6 roll and not a 3D6, for example. Additionally, any army (such as Lizardmen) may use the Lucky Seven for a single leadership test (as well as any other straight 2d6 roll), except for a re-roll such as that given by a battle standard-bearer.

Your Lucky Seven may NOT be used for the Winds of Magic 2d6 roll. Your Lucky Seven roll may only affect the dice of the person playing the card.

**Alternate use of Your Lucky Seven card** You may choose to use Your Lucky Seven after your opponent has played their scenario cards, but before the battle starts, to nullify the special rules of your opponent’s card. However, they can still gain bonus points based on their card (if they meet the objectives of course!).

 

There you go, a brief overview of the pack. I didn’t include every detail, just the more important ones. Happy killing!

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Rumble in the SELWG Jungle – 2018-19 club competition pt 1

I’ve again stepped up to run the warhammer fantasy competition at the club and although it officially started a few weeks ago, I’ve been rubbish at posting anything about it. This post will cover some of the comp pack and thoughts behind it. The next few posts will cover the Scenarios and Strategy cards

Knowing that, for the last 5 years, list choices have been heavily comp’ed at the club, I decided to go a slightly different route. This was also influenced in part by watching a number of the Malorian and Once Bitten (both in my opinion are legends) fantasy battle reports of some US GT’s on you tube. In particular, the Brawler Bash caught my eye.

For those who haven’t seen Brawler Bash, it is slightly different from other GT’s as the bulk of the points come from killing your opponents army. You can get bonus points from scenario objectives and play strategy cards that give you both a chance to score additional points (as well as giving you unique bonuses to your army).

I won’t beat about the bush, this year, I pretty much plagarised the entire comp pack from the 2014 Brawler Bash GT rules. I did add in a number of the house rules from last year and a few additional rules for Beastmen, TK’s and Bretonnians. I also had to create an additional scenario and strategy card in order for it to work in our comp as in the brawler GT entrants play 5 games and the scenarios are fixed for each game. As I had 7 entrants and had decided to run them in one group, I needed a 6th so that the scenarios could be diced off.

31. Turn 3 - Beast
Face off vs Neil’s Lizards in the last comp

Game Format and Scoring

All scoring is done via Victory points.

Victory points are awarded through wiping out units, capturing standards etc. as per the BRB.

In addition:

Units that are at 25% or less of their original models yield 50% VPs to the opponent

Units that are fleeing at the end of the battle yield 50% VPs to the opponent.

Characters and single models that have half or less wounds remaining at the end of the battle give up 50% VPs.

Ridden monsters give up separate VPs (i.e. if you kill just the monster you score the monsters VPs but not the riders and vice versa). In both cases, bonuses (for generals, banners, etc.) are not counted towards the 50%.

Units that are both: fleeing and at/below % strength still only yield 50% VPs.

Any unit that is off the table at the end of the game for any reason, counts as destroyed.

Fully Painted Army +750 VP’s per game

Bonus Victory points are also available for completing Scenarios and from Strategy cards.

Army Lists

Each Army must be no more than 2500 points. These lists will be checked and cleared by an adjudicator and will be open to all once cleared.

  • No End Times Rules or Armies (except where stated in this document).
  • No Allies may be taken.
  • Wizards must use the same magic lore that they started the competition with throughout the competition. However, wizards that are allowed to generate spells from multiple magic lore’s are allowed to do so. For example, Skaven wizards that are allowed to generate spells from either Plague & Ruin before each game will be allowed to.
  • No Forge World rules/stat lines apart from Chaos Dwarfs.
  • A unit cannot exceed 45 wounds in total at any point (this includes embedded characters/mounts etc).
  • The following special characters are not allowed:
  • Valten
  • Malekith,
  • Morathi
  • Hellebron
  • Teclis
  • Allarielle
  • Epidemius
  • Kairos
  • Throgg
  • The competition will allow players to take up to 50% Lord and Hero allowance as specified in the GW 1.9 Errata, with the exceptions of:
  • 2017/18 Semi-finalists and finalists can only take up to 25%

 In addition, the following rules apply to the following armies:

 Beastmen:

  • May select Marks of Chaos for their units as described in The End Times: Archaon.
  • Beastmen Ambush works in the same way as ambush in the BRB.
  • Ghorgons gain a 4+ scaly skin save.

Bretonnia:

  • The following Bretonnian units/options gain the Devastating Charge special rule: Lord, Paladin, Knights of the Realm, Knights Errant, Questing Knights, Pegasus Knights and Grail Knights.
  • In additional if any of the above entries charge and a roll of 10+ is made, the front rank/model will gain impact hits (1). These are resolved at S5.
  • Remove the 0-1 selection limit to the following units: Grail Reliquae, Pegasus Knights and Grail Knights.

Tomb Kings:

  • If the Tomb King’s Hierophant dies and the army contains another Liche (or High Liche) Priest with the Lore of Nehekharan, then an initial crumble test is taken as normal but no crumble test need be taken on each consecutive turn as he seizes control of the army. This can continue (with a test being taken each time the new Hierophant dies) until no more Hierophants with the Lore of Nehekharan remain, at which point the ‘crumble test’ is taken every turn, as per the army rule book. (This works in exactly the same manner as in the Vampire Counts book in case I messed up the description, except of course, it’s based on a different lore).
6 Beast deploy
The herd of Khazbar step up to the fray

FAQ / Errata / House Rules

The current GW FAQ and Errata will apply.

  • Unmodified leadership is the highest leadership in the unit, but not including Inspiring Presence, although BSB re-roll allowed.
  • Look out Sir’s allowed against Dwellers, Dreaded 13th & Final transmutation, providing there are enough rank & file in the unit see P93.
  • High magic Lore “Drain Magic” does not affect Plague of Rust, Wither, or similar non Remains in Play spells that are in place for the remainder of the game.
  • Storm banner – rolled for at the beginning of each players turn by the Skaven player.
  • A unit may not swift reform and move into a building in the same movement phase.
  • Only 1 method of augmenting Channelling may be used at a time, e.g. a wizard bearing a Channelling Staff within 6” of Arcane Ruins can use the extra dice from the Ruins or +1 from the Staff, not both.
  • Only 2 dice can be carried over from any source
  • Maximum of 12 dice per magic phase. This includes dice carried over.
  • An augmented/hexed unit that “borrows” a stat from another model/unit still has to apply the augment/hex value to the new stat.
  • The free pivot (of up to 90 degrees) available during a charge can only be used to avoid intervening terrain and/or units, not to change the final orientation of the charging unit.
  • Open ground is considered terrain for the purpose of spells but does not have any effect on normal movement.
  • Buildings can hold up to 20 ‘wounds’ of models and are two stories.
  • A single rank of models can never be steadfast, unless another special rule imposes this (i.e. Stubborn)

Organising the SELWG wfb Competition – Part 5 – Terrain

In the final post of this series (thank god I hear you say, I can’t deal with any more of these wordy posts, where the hell are all the pictures!) I’ll look at the terrain table.

I will hold up my hand and say right now that i’m not a fan of the terrain table in whfb 8th edition. I know it can be argued that it was designed to work in conjunction with the rest of the rule set but it bugs me that almost everything has to have some special ability. Why can’t a river just be a river. Isn’t it enough that it has impact on movement or removes steadfast etc. Why on top of that must it give you the ability to cast spells etc. Having something that also gives you loremaster of Death seems massively overpowered. I’ve also found that when playing games, most of the time people forget about the terrain abilities too.

Well because it was my comp pack, I decided to follow Steve’s lead from last year and get rid of most of that crap (If you don’t like the decision, you can step up and run it next year and include all of it 😀).

If you read the blog, you will know that i’ve been playing Kings of War this year and in that rule set, the norm is to use Map Packs (one of the best known in the community is a random map generator from http://www.epicdwarf.com/. Like everyone his site is struggling a bit from the recent photo bucket change of terms but the random terrain generator still works fine). Although it is a fantastic tool, I don’t actually like the presentation (see below example) so instead thought about producing my own in battle chronicler (again example below). The issue with this was the amount of effort it would take to produce on top of everything else.

Epic Dwarf map example
Epic Dwarf map example
1. Terrain
Battle Chronicler example map

Neil (who is running our KOW comp) decided to go down a different route and put together his own terrain chart. In this he created 6 separate maps with fixed terrain but the placement could be variable and was down to the players (within certain limits). I think everyone in the competition really liked using this table and a number of the additional comments on the survey asked to use something similar. So with Neil’s permission I adapted it for use in the whfb competition.

You will note that, despite my personal dislike for the magical element of all terrain in 8th ed. I didn’t completely get rid of all the random terrain ‘abilities’. I appreciated that some players actually like this randomness, so I kept the rules for woods and marshes and also included the odd other item in some of the maps (all items I deemed to be not game changing)

So below is the current version of the terrain setup document (edit: updated with v2)

WHFB 2017 Competition Terrain setup v2

In most wargames getting the terrain setup acceptable, without too many rules & taking a fair amount of time can be a challenge. So here is a process that hopefully will not be too challenging & avoids the dreaded barren table with a few sparse pieces stuck in the corners. Players will still have some input into the final position of certain items. (This was adapted from Neil’s KOW pack).

After deciding scenario/mission, roll on the table below (D6).

Collect terrain listed, & determine player A & B with a roll off (player highest roll). Then follow the deployment instructions.

Some general points:

If placing terrain using the exact measurements proves difficult, use the distances stated as a guideline

Buildings: All have three levels (including Fozziks folding fortress) and can be no more than 6” across. A maximum of 20 wounds worth of models may garrison a building. (e.g. 17 HE Archers & an Archmage) Count the number of starting wounds (e.g. Archmage always counts as 3).

Woods: Can be no more than 12” across – roll a D6 when entering to decide the type. In addition: Dangerous Terrain if Ca/MC/Ch march, charge, flee/pursue, overrun or if Flyer entering/leaving; No Steadfast (unless Stubborn); Lone infantry characters and Skirmishers characters count as Steadfast.

  • 1-3= Normal Forest,
  • 4= Venom Thicket [Unit has Poisonous Attacks; counts as Dangerous Terrain],
  • 5= Abyssal wood [Unit causes fear]
  • 6= Fungus Forest [Stupidity]

Rivers: – all normal.

Marshes: Can be no wider than 9” – roll a D3 when entering to find the type. In addition Dangerous Terrain except Skirmishers; Ca MC and Ch fail test on a 1 or 2.

  • 1= Earthblood Mere [any unit in the marsh has Regen (6+)]
  • 2= Khemrian Quicksand [Mo/MI//MC removed on Dangerous Terrain failure]
  • 3= Mist wreathed swamp [Hard Cover; In test or D6 models are removed]

Walls/hedges/fences (WHF): all normal and all give hard cover. 1 WHF length = 12”, so 3*WHF= 36”

Hills: Can be no wider than 12” – all normal unless stated.

Unless otherwise stated all terrain should be 3” apart (exception WHF, which touch/link buildings).

 DZ = Deployment zone

 

Terrain table (D6 roll).

Map 1) 2*Buildings, 1* hill, 2* woods, 1*WHF, 1*Elven Waystone* [Impassable; Channelling at +1 w/in 6”]

Map 2) 1*River 1*building, 3*hills (2*normal, 1*Anvil of Vaul [Unit within 6” has Flaming and Magical Attacks]), 1* woods, 1*WHF.

Map 3) 2*Marsh, 2*woods, 2*hills.

Map 4) 1*River, 4*hills (2*normal, 2*Scree slope [Dangerous Terrain]), 1*woods.

Map 5) 4*buildings, 1*woods, 2*WHF, 1 hill (Scree slope [Dangerous Terrain])

Map 6) 2*woods, 2 hills, 2*marsh.

 

Terrain deployment instructions Map 1.

  1. Player A places the 2*buildings, anywhere on the table except in any DZ and at least 6” from any table edges. Also each building must be between 6”-9” of each other.
  2. Player B places the hill in any DZ, at least 9” from any table edge.
  3. Player A places 1*tree base anywhere on the table, at least 6” from any table edge.
  4. Player B places 1*tree base anywhere on the table, at least 6” from any table edge.
  5. Player A places 1* WHF in any deployment zone, at least 6” from any table edge in any configuration, but all pieces must be touching each other.
  6. Player B places 1* Elven Waystone anywhere on the table except in any DZ and at least 12” from any table edge.

Terrain deployment instructions Map 2.

  1. Player A places river 2ft from any short table edge running from long edge to long edge (4ft length).
  2. Player B places 3*hills (2*normal, 1*Anvil of Vaul [Unit within 6” has Flaming and Magical Attacks]) anywhere on the table except in DZ’s, and no more than 6” from any table edges.
  3. Player A places 1* tree base in any DZ no more than 9” from any table edge.
  4. Player B places 1 building with WHF touching in the opposite DZ that the trees are in, no more than 6” from any table edge.

Terrain deployment instructions Map 3.

  1. Player A places 2*trees, anywhere on the table except in DZ’s and at least 6” from any table edge.
  2. Player B places 1* hill in each DZ at least 6” from any table edge.
  3. Player A places 1* marsh anywhere on the table at least 9” from any table edge.
  4. Player B places 1* marsh anywhere on the table at least 9” from any table edge.

Terrain deployment instructions Map 4.

  1. Player A places river 18” from any long table edge running from short edge to short edge (6ft length).
  2. Player B places 1*tree base anywhere on the table, except in a DZ.
  3. Player A places 2* hills (1*normal, 1* Scree slope [Dangerous Terrain]), one in any DZ no nearer than 6” from any table edge, & the second hill anywhere on the table other than in a DZ.
  4. Player B places 2* hills (1*normal, 1* Scree slope [Dangerous Terrain]), one in any DZ no nearer than 6” from any table edge, & the other hill anywhere on the table other than in a DZ. (it is allowed that 2 hills end up in the same DZ)

Terrain deployment instructions Map 5.

  1. Player A places 2*buildings & 1*WHF anywhere on the table, but not In any DZ, at least 6” from any table edge, The buildings being 6” apart with WHF linking both buildings in any configuration.
  2. Player B places 2*buildings & 1*WHF anywhere, but In any DZ at least 6” from any table edge The buildings being 6” apart with WHF linking both buildings in any configuration. Also must be at least 12” away from nearest building in A above.
  3. Player A places 1*trees anywhere on the table at least 9” from any table edge.
  4. Player B places 1*hill (Scree slope [Dangerous Terrain]) anywhere on the table at least 9” from any table edge.

Terrain deployment instructions Map 6.

  1. Player A places 2*trees, anywhere on the table except in DZ’s and no nearer than 6” from any table edge & at least 6” apart.
  2. Player B places 2*marsh in any DZ at least 9” from any table edge. Both can be in the same DZ.
  3. Player A places 1 hill anywhere on the table 9” from any table edge.
  4. Player B places 1 hill anywhere on the table 9” from any table edge.

 

Organising the SELWG wfb Competition – Part 4 – Army and List Restrictions

Out of all the parts of the competition pack, this section was going to be the one that would make or break it and would be the deciding factor on who would want to enter.

Last year’s pack contained quite a few hard restrictions, blocking you from taking certain choices. I kept this for some of the items (e.g. no end times/special characters/allies etc. – see first set of bullet points below). However I wanted to change the slant of the list building making it more open but penalising entrants for taking certain combinations. As with life, you are self determining but your actions can have consequences! This is where the difficulty lay, what would make up these restrictions and how would I make these decisions (whilst not favouring any army I may choose to take).

Having a multitude of previous GT and other tournament packs available to look at really helped and gave me a good understanding of what combos most tournament organisers thought to be overpowered. Most of them seemed to be similar no matter what part of the world the pack originated. Different tournaments did however choose to implement restrictions in different ways, normally via a scoring system, if you take xx unit you add so many points to your ‘score’, whilst others reduce points. This ‘score’ is then added/deducted from your total tournament score.

With our format this approach wouldn’t quite work so instead I opted for two distinct restriction sections. The first was a general section, which incorporated many of the previous tournaments restrictions but instead of the outright ban, it penalised a player if they took 3 or more choices from the section. The second section was army specific and again penalised a player if they took certain choices from their army book.

For each of the sections, if they breached the restrictions, they would be deducted 20 points (and it was cumulative so it could be 40pts in total, 20 per section and could mean you started with a negative score). Each points ‘fine’ was roughly the equivalent of winning a game so entrants could choose to ignore the restrictions but would have to be confident of their ability to get results to offset this.

Empire vs Chaos
Random stock photo added to break up the wall of text

I do wonder if this makes it overly complicated but it was one of the few ways I could think of to incorporate many of the restrictions fed back without banning everything.

The army building section of the comp pack, in its current iteration (v1.4 at present) is below.

Having gone through this process I have a lot of respect for individuals who do this every year for tournaments. It takes a lot of effort and is easy to make mistakes (I made a number that club members were kind enough to point out – hence I am up to v1.4 at present – though the latest version only contains rules clarifications and as such i’ve not released it yet).

Army Lists

  • Each Army must be no more than 2500 points. These lists will be checked and cleared by an adjudicator and will be open to all once cleared.
  • No End Times Rules or Armies.
  • No Allies may be taken.
  • Wizards must use the same magic lore that they started the competition with throughout the competition. However, wizards that are allowed to generate spells from multiple magic lore’s are allowed to do so. For example, Skaven wizards that are allowed to generate spells from either Plague & Ruin before each game will be allowed to.
  • No Special characters are allowed.
  • No Forge World rules/stat lines apart from Chaos Dwarfs.

Army lists will be as follows:

Standard army                        2500 points

The following composition restrictions apply:

Army section Percentage Restrictions
Lords and Heroes Up to 50% No Triples and a maximum total Wizard level of 5 in an army (e.g. one level 4 lord and one level 1 wizard or one level 3 and one level 2. This level cap includes items that specify they have magic levels (such as the wizarding hat) or that increase a user’s magic level but excludes items with bound spells such as the fireball ring. Note: this cap includes units with magic levels, such as Warlocks).

No flying Wizards (unless the wizard/unit has an innate fly ability. If you have to buy the fly upgrade, whether it be wings or a mount etc., then it may not be taken).

Core At least 25%
Special Up to 50% No Triples
Rare Up to 25% No Doubles*

2016 Semi-finalists and finalists only:

Lords                                       Up to 25%               No doubles

Heroes                                    Up to 25%               No doubles

The above restrictions are fixed. The next 2 sections list a number of optional restrictions. You can choose to go over them but if you do Victory Points will be deducted. This could result in starting the competition with a negative score. 

General Restrictions:

Armies meeting 3 or more of the following general restrictions will be deducted 20 VP’s from the Group stage.

Level 4 Wizard who selects Death Magic (“excluding know all signatures” abilities and rules such as Wandering Deliberations),

Level 4 Wizard who can selects Life Magic (“excluding know all signatures” abilities and rules such as Wandering Deliberations),

Crown of Command,

Banner of Discipline,

Folding Fortress.

Light Council (at least 3 wizards in the army with lore of light),

3+ units and/or characters classified as Monster

3+ units and/or Characters with 1+ armour save.

3+ units and/or characters with the Flyer special rule

Characters over 425pts in cost (after any upgrades/items)

Any Unit exceeding 450pts (after any upgrades/items)

5 Warmachines* Includes, Steam tank, chariots and models with war machine weapons such as Ironblasters, Gyrocopters, Hellcannons. (Engineers count as 1 warmachine choice. Each Dwarf Rune counts as ½ a warmachine, so 2 Runes count as 1 warmachine choice, even if the runes are split between machines).

* Certain army books allow you to take double the normal amount of warmachines in your list than is normally allowed (e.g. Elf bolt throwers, Dwarf Gyrocoptors, Goblin Spearchuckers, Pump Wagons etc). In the above restrictions, taking 2 of these count as 1 selection (so you could take 2 Elf Bolt throwers from the rare section and they would also only count as a single warmachine out of your 5 warmachine limit).

Army Specific Restrictions.

Armies meeting the following restrictions will be deducted 20 VP’s from the Group stage (this is cumulative with the above deduction so the maximum deduction could be 40pts)

Beastmen: 2 choices from; Herdstone with 3 wizards, Doombull.

Bretonnian: None

Chaos Dwarves: 4 or more choices from; K’daii Destroyer, Lvl 4 with Hasut, Magma Cannon, Iron Daemon, Death Shreiker, Hell Cannon.
Daemons of Chaos:
3 or more choices from; skullcannon, Great Unclean One, 3 or more Beasts, taking units aligned to a chaos god who hate another unit aligned to a different chaos god in the army. E.g. Tzeentch hate Nurgle. (Note, no matter how many opposing aligned units you take, it only counts as one ‘choice’. E.g. you could take 2 units of pink horrors and 2 units of bloodletters and this is only 1 of the 3 restrictions, not 2 of them).
Dark Elves: 3 or more choices from; 2 Bolt Throwers; 1 unit of Warlocks, more than 2 units of Dark Riders, 2 or more characters mounted on Dark Pegasus’, Cloak of Twilight.

Dwarves: 2 or more choices from; 20+ Irondrakes, 2 or more Gyrocoptors, Having 3+ runes of spellbreaking in any combination.

High Elves: 3 or more choices from; BOTWD, Book of Hoeth, 2 Bolt Throwers, Unmounted Frost Heart Phoenix, more than 2 units of Ellyrian Reavers.

Empire: 3 choices from; Two Great Cannons, Steam Tank, 5 or more Demi-Gryph knights.

Lizardmen: 2 or more choices from; 2 or more Scar vets or old ones on Cold ones, 3 Skink skirmishers, Slann Priest with channelling staff and Harmonic Convergence.

Ogre Kingdoms: 3 or more choices from; Iron Blasters, Hellheart, Mournfang, 2 individual sabretusks.

Orc & Goblin: 4 choices from; Mangler squig, doom diver, rock lobba, 25+ Savage Orcs big Un’s.

Skaven:  3 or more choices from; Hellpit Abomination, storm banner, 50+ Skaven slaves, Warp Lightning Cannon

Tomb Kings: None

Vampire Counts: 2 or more choices from; Terrorgheist, Red Fury on Vampire Lord, 2+ Vampire lords

Warriors of Chaos: 4 or more choices from; Daemon Prince, Hero on Disc, Hellcannon, Skullcrushers, 2+ Chimeras, Character with 3++ ward.

Wood elves: 4 or more choices from; Waywatchers, Acorn of Ages, Moonstone of Hidden ways, Each unit with Trueflight after the 2nd, Each unit with Hagbane after the 2nd, Each unit of Wildriders/SotT (combined) after the 2nd, 70+ models with 30” range shooting.

Organising the SELWG wfb Competition – Part 2 – Points & Secondary Objectives

The next few posts will cover in no particular order, various sections of the comp pack. I’ll try and explain why the choices were made (at a superficial level at least). One thing I was very conscious of, was not putting in (or leaving out) any restrictions that would benefit me. It’s one of the reasons that I committed to bringing an army that no one else was (if possible), so that I wouldn’t know which one I would be using until well after the pack was written.

Putting together a pack is quite a daunting task. The second step for me after getting the survey set up was to go online and try and find and download every comp pack I could find to see how others had put together packs. Even though 8th ed. whfb has been out of vogue for a few years, I was still able to to find and download around 15 (quite a few curtesy of links on warhammer.org). Most were of limited use but many did list out restrictions on the most common over powered combos for specific armies which I would utilise in the list building.

I also got hold of the last few years packs for SELWG and decided to follow some of the format from this, as it would keep it recognisable for people who had entered before.

So in this post I’ll cover the points on offer. As per the last SELWG comp, points would be split into Primary, Secondary and Tertiary.

Primary are awarded based on the outcome of the game victory conditions and are available at all stages of the competition.

Tertiary are only available in the group stages of the comp and are bonus points awarded for completing the game and for having a painted army. Neither of these are game breaking but encourages players to both finish the game and it’s always nice to face a painted army on the table no matter the standard of the painting (whether pro painter or just an average tabletop standard).

Secondary are available at all stages of the competition and are smaller missions that can add to your competition points. Most of these were taken from a combination of the the secondary missions available from the previous two SELWG whfb competitions. I added one new objective, “to see what I can see” (yes the name is part of a children’s nursery rhyme but no bonus points for remembering the rest of the song which involves a bear and a mountain). The other change made was to reduce the points from 7 to 6 for a successfully completed mission. There was a point to this.

Knockout rounds – The final added restriction was that in the final rounds, if you didn’t have a fully painted army, you would only get half points. I’m still not sure about this restriction, it seemed pretty harsh but quite a few paid competitions do have restrictions on having fully painted armies. As a compromise, I made it so if a player didn’t have a fully painted army but got maximum points for a win and mission completed, (15+6 = 21/2 = 11 – rounded up) they could still have a chance of going through if the opponent lost and also completed their mission (5+6 = 11).  If you get a straight win and your opponent lost you will just go through (at 15/2 = 8 vs 5 points).

So below is the ‘Game Format and Scoring section’ of the 2017 SELWG comp pack.

 

  • Primary Tournament Points

Games will be Won, Lost, Drawn, as per the tournament scenarios victory conditions. In the event of a tiebreak scenario in the knockout rounds, use victory points as per the rules in the BRB (pg 143 Tournament Points will be awarded as follows):

WIN = 15 points      DRAW= 10 points   LOSS = 5 points

  • Secondary Tournament Points

For each battle pick a ‘Secret Mission’. This must be done after deployment, but before the first turn is underway. Players must note down their mission, and hand it to someone at another table for safe keeping until it is revealed at the end of the game.

  • Each Player completing their secret mission is awarded = 6 points (Note the change in points from last year)
  • Each ‘Secret Mission’ can only be used once during each league stage and resets for the knockout stage.

“Raid the Baggage” – Have more Fortitude bearing*** Friendly units in the Enemy deployment zone, than the Enemy has Fortitude bearing units in this deployment zone, at the end of the game.

“Cut off the Head” – Kill the Enemy General in hand to hand to hand combat by the end of the game. Any mount does not need to be killed. An Enemy General fleeing at the end of the game does not count.

 “Hero-Hammered” – To have amassed the biggest tally of dead Enemy characters at the end of the game. For calculation purposes, each Hero level character is worth ‘1 point’, each Lord level character is worth ‘2 points’. Self-inflicted deaths (such as from Miscasts or Skaven targeting their own troops), still count towards your opponents score.

“To see what I can see” – When you write down your mission also specify one hill or building that is outside of your deployment zone. This piece of terrain is the tallest in the area and will give your general the advantage in spying troop movements. If, at the end of the game, you have a unit *** occupying that terrain feature and no enemy units occupy**** that terrain feature as per the rules in Scenario 4 (Secure), your mission is a success.

“Take a Message” – Specify a model in your army to be a messenger. Specify a fortitude-bearing unit in the enemy army that contains your spy. Get your messenger model into contact with the spy’s unit. If the spy’s unit is alive at the end of the game your mission has succeeded. The messenger model does not have to be a character model.

  • Tertiary Tournament Points (only available during the group stage)

In an attempt to encourage the completion of games and that they are played using painted armies, but also to reward hobby activity, the following points are available in each battle:

If your army is fully painted (minimum of 3 colours per model and a painted base) = 2 points

If the game is fully completed on the night, each player shall be awarded = 2 point

Total Game Points

A maximum of 25 TPs are up for grabs in each game.

  • Bonus Tournament Points:

Submission of your Group Stage 1 tournament list by 11 August = 5 Points

Knockout Rounds

When taking part in the knockout rounds, if your army is not fully painted you only receive half the tournament points (rounding up). e.g. a win would be worth 8 points. (Note it is possible to still win the knockout stages even with this handicap).